1914the turning point in history.
30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.
german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .
Nathan Natas, you're right I should stick with it, I might improve my comprehension. I had no intention of diminishing your statement only to add that the conventional Watchtower viewpoint of 1914 as an invisible heavenly event only began after that date (1927?) and hence not "always".
Russell's earlier idea of invisible heavenly events was applied to 1874 (and 1878) and that by 1914 visible evidence of the Kingdom rule would have been experienced world-wide. All bunkum anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbpbb5k_mc
I agree Jook, the pathetic squirming in attempting to correct their earlier fraud is at odds with the transparency and directness of modern media.
Their nineteenth century religious doctrines and authority will wither and die under the scrutiny of the information age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbpbb5k_mc
take the case of rolf furuli.
i don't think there has been a specific thread on the hebrew verbs u-turn in the nwt, and how the society has responded to the work of perhaps their brightest and ablest defender in their history.
so here goes.. rolf furuli has defended jws on multiple fronts in many different settings, on issues ranging from chronology, mental health, doctrines, bible translation and the blood issue.
Slimboyfat, I cannot find sources for Fred Franz's Jewish scholar friend. I think I trawled it up recalling an assembly speech by him (approximately two centuries ago) where he mentioned his friend...as I recall, in warmly appreciative terms with me noting at the time the incongruity of him having a close worldly associate.
I also remember looking at the material which Fencing mentions where Furuli and others gave a numerical value to the accuracy of the astronomical evidence for 607BCE. This needs re-visiting and clarifying.
take the case of rolf furuli.
i don't think there has been a specific thread on the hebrew verbs u-turn in the nwt, and how the society has responded to the work of perhaps their brightest and ablest defender in their history.
so here goes.. rolf furuli has defended jws on multiple fronts in many different settings, on issues ranging from chronology, mental health, doctrines, bible translation and the blood issue.
Perhaps because they are suspicious of academics even in their own ranks? What you say is very interesting but I guess any insights into the Hebrew auxiliary verbs was the input given to Fred Franz from his Jewish scholar friend. (He was allowed to have friends outside of the org 'cos it was his org!).
There is yet to arise an apologist for the Watchtower beliefs who dare look into the literary sources of the texts. This would be a most enlightening development since for the first time the Watchtower would be confronted with the exotic courtly accounts and pagan myth which were copied to form much of the true origins of the Bible.
Nevertheless Furuli is an exceptional case but no one below the rank of GB is permitted to let their light shine brighter than their leaders.
i am aware of the constant debate about whether or not to confront jws, because they will merely retreat behind their persecution complex.
well, i say, "bull shit!
religitards, as in the case of the recent paris attacks, ( yes, the jws are equal to those terrorists, is so much as they perpetuate lies that ultimately retard the progress of mankind), must be challenged without remorse, as their assertions are made without remorse for those who are forever scarred by their lies.
i am aware of the constant debate about whether or not to confront jws, because they will merely retreat behind their persecution complex.
well, i say, "bull shit!
religitards, as in the case of the recent paris attacks, ( yes, the jws are equal to those terrorists, is so much as they perpetuate lies that ultimately retard the progress of mankind), must be challenged without remorse, as their assertions are made without remorse for those who are forever scarred by their lies.
JWs are not idiots but they are often clueless, emotionally stunted and needy. We know because we've been there. I chose to be a JW at the age of fourteen.
The permanent state of denial and irrationality exhibited by JWs; is to defend their own dream of paradise...just as it is for the Muslim terrorist. The parallel does not end there. As I will be telling the next JW I meet that anyone who places religious ideals above the value of life and of human welfare is a threat to all civilisation.
Yes DD something has to be done. They must be hit where it hurts... in the money department. Why should an organisation such as the socially destructive WTBTS be encouraged by the state through tax exemption?
Now is a good time to put the case to the appropriate authorities.
this lay off and all the child molestation lawsuits coming to a head with more lay off in the wings.
i'm sure there is a lot of concern going on among those still there.
i'm sure a lot are finding out for the first time that the governing body are all frauds by doing secure internet searches to find out just how much they been had by these villans , i think the situation could be dangerous (the possibility exist).
i found this from an another site, for those of you who read french.
the world is taking note that when tragedy strikes rather than help in practical ways, jw take advantage of a tragic situation to spread their cultist propaganda.. http://caffes.fr/communique-de-presse-novembre-2015-regain-de-proselytisme-chez-les-temoins-de-jehovah-de-lindecence-a-lecoeurement/.
communique de presse novembre 2015 regain de proselytisme chez les temoins de jehovah, de lindecence a lecurement.... novembre 20, 2015 actualites, journal a loccasion des evenements dramatiques qui frappent notre pays, les membres du caffes et toutes les personnes qui y sont accompagnees souhaitent faire part de leur vive emotion et temoigner de leur solidarite aux familles des victimes.
various posters have apparently concluded that the wt society is wrong by quoting hebrews 13.17 as a reason for christians to submit to, and be "obedient" to those taking the lead among them.
they have pointed out that the greek word for obedience is "hypakouo" or some other, not "pei'tho" which is the one that appears in the beginning of verse 17 at hebrews ch.
their motive for their objections may be one of rancor brought about by the extreme authoritative measures the society have imposed on the brotherhood.
Mephis as I understand it, the early Jesuist christianity took its organisational structure directly from the pattern used by the earlier so called "pagan" religious cults. It would be appropriate to mention that they borrowed practically everything else including most doctrines, fables, imagery and ritual from the pagan christ cults as well.
In other words I think that the Gnostics were only one of many groups probably already using a traditional hierarchical ordering already of historical standing.
This included having a bishop (overseer) presbyters (older men) and deacons (lowly attendants to the material aspects of the church). As the numbers of believers for a particular cult grew then the importance of the management also grew and the bishop became the key man to make sure there was enough money to support both the welfare and feeding of the poor and the upkeep of the church building in a particular region.
